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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and we have a

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special update as I announced on Friday

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the 2nd of September I welcome Ben

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Hansen who is a former federal agent

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researcher producer and presenter on

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among many things Discovery plus he's

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fantastic UFO witness Ben welcome to the

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podcast thanks Andy appreciate it it's

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good to have you on I mean you uh broke

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the internet and UFO Twitter for for a

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day on the 30th of August I am Landing a

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story out of nowhere with no hype which

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was a a bit of a novelty I think for

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many of us these days we're used to

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hearing these things announced well in

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advance not only did you you drop a new

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story on is to do with UFO a UFO

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sighting it included instrument readings

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and video and the way you presented it

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went down a storm with people so if you

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don't mind for any listeners who haven't

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heard could you just recap exactly what

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happened on the 30th when you when you

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got online yeah so

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um it started let's see last week so

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we're today on Friday it was like last

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Friday a week ago I was giving a lecture

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at a local community center talking

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about UFOs and encrypteds and had a a

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guy a couple come up to us who's been to

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a number of lectures and he said Hey I

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was talking to my buddy uh in the Navy

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and asked if he'd ever seen any UFOs and

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he said no I haven't but I have a friend

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who just recently had a sighting he said

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oh and he's like do you want to get in

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touch with this guy and I'm like sure

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you know because I'm really busy and

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um I was like let me know so the next

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day he says here's his phone number you

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should call him he's got an amazing

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story so I called him and we spent about

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an hour almost uh the first call and

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then throughout the weekend

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um because of I realized right away that

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this was something

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quite significant in that we had a lot

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of data we had a lot of different things

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that can confirm and and mainly because

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he's a former uh a retired F-18 pilot

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for the Marine Corps

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so I'm a pilot myself I've flown

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um in this area down here in Southern

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California a lot where he has

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um but I I fly you know like three six

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thousand feet

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um over Catalina and in this area but he

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was at uh 47 000 feet flying a Gulf

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Stream

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650. so what happened that night

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um he was taking a client so he works

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for a private

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uh company who owns the Gulf Stream and

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he's flying from Miami Executive to Maui

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and he gets in the area of Los Angeles

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Center which

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um spans the whole you know metropolitan

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area and goes out towards the ocean

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he gets to about

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um 25 to 50 miles west of LA

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and this was about 12 20 a.m on August

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18th he sees above the Horizon well

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above where he at where he's at

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about five to ten thousand feet now it's

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really hard to estimate you know like

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especially at night distances and

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everything so he's doing his best to to

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kind of gauge but he sees these red

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lights and

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um he notices them because they've been

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pacing with him he said they they were

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definitely not way up there Like

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Satellites but they were not

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conventional aircraft but they keep Pace

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with him for about 15 minutes

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okay in totality as I'm now looking at

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the records it was probably more like 20

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something minutes but

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initially he's looking at him and now

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he's concerned because they're going

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from the right side of his aircraft to

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the top

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um so they'd cross in front of him and

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doing he said orbiting so

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like circles

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in the air and then they go over the top

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of him and then they go back to the

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right side again

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so obviously he wants to know you're on

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on radio with air traffic control he's

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like wondering why aren't they telling

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me about this air traffic

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so he makes a report they said they

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don't have anything in his airspace

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nothing is a primary target meaning

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you know like um they they assign a

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transponder code and adsb data to

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everyone who calls in and if you don't

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have that they'll get little blips and

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every now and then it could be weather

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could be flocks of birds or it could be

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sometimes aircraft that aren't required

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to report uh in the airspace but you are

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required when you're that high up

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and they don't have anything so you hear

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the radar tape which um

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what was really unique because this was

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such a uh an interesting or or

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concerning I guess you could say call

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into air traffic control that they

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kicked it up the food chain

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he got a call from ATC this was not what

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I understand official it was people who

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were interested in trying to help him

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figure out what this was

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but they they sent him a copy of an

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advanced copy I'll call it because it

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wasn't official requested of the radar

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tape and the communications and then

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they told him it wasn't just you their

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uh there were at least two other I

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believe is what what he he recollects

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two other airlines who reported things

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who didn't call in over the radio

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um that said that they called in because

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probably they're hesitant to do so on

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the air yeah

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um so that's that kind of started the

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ball rolling now what what I did when I

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got involved was he he did attempt to

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film

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these objects and and so when you

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mentioned the Twitter store and

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everything going on here it's a

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developing story

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rarely do we get you know sometimes

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you'll see in the newspaper pilot

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reports this

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sure right you had that case in New

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Mexico with the missile

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you know that was it looked like a

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missile that was you know going

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alongside or across the top of a jet we

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had in Utah

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where they said there was a large

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glowing light

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and um they were concerned about it none

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of these had video none of these had

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some of them had radar data some of them

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had audio in this case he said after a

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few minutes he's like

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in the cockpit trying to organize things

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in and get ready to switch over to um

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another frequencies you go over the

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ocean but he's like I thought oh my gosh

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I should be filming

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so he did take out his phone

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and started to film but

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what what ends up happening is is he's

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looking at this thing he doesn't review

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the video until after the the lights

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disappear

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so literally when I was on the phone

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with him the first time he's looking

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through his stuff here and he's like

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he's like I'm going to send you this

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video and he's like oh my gosh I didn't

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realize I captured something

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he still didn't know everything that was

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in these files and so that's a crucial

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if we're we're concerned about knowing

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the truth

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and uh the facts of of what actually

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happened the facts are these you have a

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very experienced military pilot he's an

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F-18 pilot who flew Jets Blackhawk

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helicopters he's an instructor he's got

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all sorts of ratings and thousands of

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so you have a very experienced pilot who

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knows what should and shouldn't be up in

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the sky

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he sees something highly unusual

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concerning to his safety of his flight

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nobody just calls in air traffic control

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for the fun of it you know to alert them

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because it goes up the food chain

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um that all happens before he picks up

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that happens before he starts recording

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so something is going from right to left

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doing circles he's like these are not

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aircraft he is so adamant every time I

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he's now having what I'd say witness

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remorse and it's really sad because you

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saw the people with Nimitz and the Tic

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Tac videos Kevin Day really experiences

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all this

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um you see them almost regret

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reporting these things because of what

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happens next yeah so

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um I guess I can pause there and you can

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ask some questions I'll continue no

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we're not it's a really fair point and

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you can understand I think it was

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mentioned by yourself that the estimate

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from the pilot was these objects were

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five to ten thousand feet above him

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and anyone who's ever tried to film

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anything no matter how good your iPhone

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13 is we've got the iPhone 14 launching

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next week and you've got your your 4K

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and 8K cameras but anyone who's tried to

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film something well you shouldn't film

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little driving at night out a window

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through glass

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something that's 10 000 feet away which

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when you see something with the naked

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eye and the classic example is always

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the moon isn't it you see a beautiful

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full moon and you think oh I'm going to

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take a picture of that and maybe Mars or

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Venus are off to the side of it and you

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take a picture on your phone there's two

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thousand pounds or two thousand dollar

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piece of equipment and it comes out and

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you're like oh it's just a big white dot

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it's exactly the same as what you see

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and that's you know you've got to take

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into account the pilot can I can

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acknowledge he's definitely seeing

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something that he isn't expecting to be

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there radar isn't picking up air traffic

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controller confused why there's nothing

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there and people are honing in on the

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fact that the iPhone 13. one it does

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seem likely those flashes are the phone

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sensors in the bottom left and you can't

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really make out what the other lights

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are meant to be whether they are stars

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or whether those points of light are the

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indeed the objects but at that distance

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is he going to see the objects on his

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phone

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yeah so that that's a great point and

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that's what I was trying to if I you

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know get time to edit and update today

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um you're the first I've been able to

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tell this to I will say in my

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conversations with them this guy is very

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level-headed in fact he's quite

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disappointed because he feels like if it

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does turn out that the flashing red

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uh in that are either the lidar or the

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autofocus lights from the phone he's

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like they're trying to discredit my

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whole sighting and I said look who cares

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what they say I was like you did what

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you you you saw what you saw

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and um rarely does anyone have video I

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agree it it's a bit of a disappointment

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if you didn't capture what you were

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seeing but as you imagine like you said

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he's holding this this phone up

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um the whole the whole uh artifact

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that's introduced with infrared I do

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have to give credit to Mick West you

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know and and I will give a shout out to

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him when I do my video Mick and I have

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been texting all day and some people

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fault me for like don't talk to Mick you

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know Mick is this Mick is that Mick is

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one of the few who is a skeptic that has

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always been respectful to me I will talk

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to you if you do not bring in the

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emotive you know kind of disparaging

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remarks and snide comments and

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and and Mick I think is very

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um

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his intentions whether we may not agree

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with them all all the time his

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conclusions his intentions are to find

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the truth yeah um so when he brought

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that up people forget

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um I'm kind of giving the whole summary

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I'm going to give later but people

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forget that I I took the advice of him

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with corbell's video of the pyramid

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and I I went and tested the bokeh effect

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right with that video and Mick was right

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now here's the difference though

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people don't understand the nuances they

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want to throw out the baby with the bath

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water yep right the it does not mean

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that corbell's video doesn't show some

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type of unconventional uh either drone

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could be extra trash or could be

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terrestrial but the fact that it's

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amazing that these things were staying

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up in the air for 90 minutes plus they

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don't know where they came from they

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couldn't track them they talked about

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using anti-drone technology they didn't

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work on them that's unusual and it's a

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national security concern the shape

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itself I think Mick pointed it out and

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we proved to my satisfaction that those

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objects were not necessarily

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pyramid-shaped that that could have been

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a Boke effect okay so compare that to

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what we have now

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um

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I believe that even if

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um we're satisfied with with the the

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explanation that those red lights

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were the IR reflecting

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which he presents a good case for that I

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do have video the pilot has now sent me

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of other times he's filmed in the

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cockpit at night and no such light show

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up

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um it could be it's not the exact angle

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it's not this it's not that

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right to make it reproduce every time

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but let's say that it is

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okay what that means is he tried his

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best to try and film something like you

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said that was far away and when he

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finally reviews the video

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um he sees some red lights and he's

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starting to question himself now he's

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like I captured it he's excited you know

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maybe maybe I capture what I was seeing

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so what I'm trying to have him do now is

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sit down

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and separate his memory that's not

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conflated with what he saw in the video

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and this is always hard with Witnesses

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right you have to have him take notes

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and say think back before you even saw

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your video what was your description of

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what you saw without the camera

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right and does that now compare to what

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you see in the camera and he's very open

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like I said

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to accepting that what he captured what

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um not what he saw but what he captured

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in the corner there may have been the IR

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lights

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so it's unfortunate that so many people

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are just fixated on that because I feel

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like a lot of time is wasted at this

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point where

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um we're tracking down other Witnesses

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I've got some really cool stuff to uh to

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release if I like I said get it done

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today or the next couple days

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of other call-ins to air traffic control

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other pilots who may have seen things

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and um I I think the witness testimony

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should not be discredited solely because

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we had a piece of physical evidence that

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can be explained because they're two

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different things you know be nice if it

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correlated but if it doesn't we still

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have all this other stuff

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yeah there's two things for me that the

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video that does help with and also

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another point I want to make that one

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the video helps point out exactly where

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the objects we are because they're not

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on radar and we can see I think you

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point out really clearly in talking

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about it that it looks like downtown Los

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Angeles so you can see from the video

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that the kind of the coastal line and

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that can help you work out also the

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objects we are up at that point of the

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sky because they're not showing up on

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radar so it does give you some kind of

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extra visual clue that you would rather

401
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have than not have

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but I think secondly again those types

403
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of reactions just serve to you talk

404
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about that witness remorse that people

405
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don't want to come forward and I can see

406
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a lot of comments on that Twitter thread

407
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of people who are skeptical and rightly

408
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so about you know any type of event when

409
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it's largely down to testimony but they

410
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want to hear from the two commercial

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pilots now what's the likelihood of

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those two commercial pilots actually

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coming forward if they by chance go on

414
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see your reporting they see those

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comments they see the reaction and then

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think well I'm not going to get shot

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down in flames for for coming out and

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telling what I saw so it just it just

419
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goes to to stop us getting that

420
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additional information or is that

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something that you've managed to get any

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kind of leads with in terms of of those

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Pilots

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well um what what I have and uh you know

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what what I hope to be able to release

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later was

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um not from the call-ins the next day

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these were actually pilots who reported

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stuff on the air later

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and um so that's even more unique

431
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because that could mean that we have up

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to three different airlines who spotted

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something

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um and and it could be the same event it

435
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was it was quite a bit later but the

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same area

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so

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um we've got that the other thing is

439
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yesterday I filed a foia request freedom

440
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information act and I'm filing a second

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portion today

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um related to not just the radar data

443
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but um the communications and stuff like

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that so those things can take a while to

445
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get back so even if if within that it

446
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says Hey such and such Airline called us

447
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or whatever you're exactly right

448
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um they're under no obligation to talk

449
00:17:45,049 --> 00:17:42,240
to us and you'd have to have somebody

450
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with the airline say hey I know who

451
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those Pilots were and then they've got

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to voluntarily want to come forward and

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talk it's not just the pilots we're

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looking for passengers

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you know it's very likely that this

456
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um these planes as they're flying

457
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someone could have seen something out

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the right or the left side of the planes

459
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you also have to remember the much

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different altitudes this was 47 000 feet

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which is one of the highest

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um assigned altitudes that they will

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give you and it seems like the other

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planes were at least

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um you know more in the range of like 39

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000 feet or things like that which

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it may not seem like a lot but five to

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ten thousand feet can make a big

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difference in what you pay attention to

470
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you know depending on how how what the

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size of these objects were what they

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were doing yeah so um that's where we're

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at now with it

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um you know you you'd made a point about

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that hesitancy

476
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and and I really do feel bad

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um I I totally see it from all sides

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though I see people wanting to have the

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whole

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enchilada right they want Witnesses they

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want video it would be awesome if that

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were the case but just because we don't

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have all of that

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and um and perhaps the video doesn't

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corroborate you know like you said

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there's there's um Merit in the fact

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that he tried and that we're getting a

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picture of kind of the layout of it but

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um to me

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witness testimony still is the most

491
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crucial when you have very credible

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people

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um technology is catching up but it's

494
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still not there it's uh I I could I've

495
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got night vision I sell night vision and

496
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thermal cameras the chance that I'm

497
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going to have that ready to go and with

498
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me when these things happen is very rare

499
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I I've had incredible sightings and just

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really briefly

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um coming from that same area coming in

502
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from the ocean here where I live in

503
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Huntington Beach I had a sighting of a

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black silent triangle one night and it

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flew over my head at a thousand feet and

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um I don't expect people just to take me

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for my word but because I saw what I saw

508
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and it was extremely unusual and I

509
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didn't get video of it right I can't

510
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just dismiss people's testimonies out of

511
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hand and say well that doesn't mean

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anything to me you know I get it we

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weren't there but I think it it means

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something with this this Pilot's

515
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background and his credentials that we

516
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should take notice of it and uh oh my

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gosh if anyone's paying attention to the

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news

519
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you know and seeing everything that's

520
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coming out of it that alone should

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should let us take pause and not just

522
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dismiss these things because this is a

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hot spot area there's a lot going on out

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there

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I've got a couple more questions and let

526
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me assure you I would never be one to

527
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scoop someone's story so I'm not going

528
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to put this out until you've posted your

529
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:46,440
own update I wouldn't want to do that to

530
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,539
you it's your story to Break

531
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um the pilot himself again people noted

532
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that he sounded very calm he's retired

533
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F-18 he's been around the block former

534
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Marine Corps

535
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some people suggested he may have had

536
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,220
sightings like this in the past and

537
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maybe wasn't as surprised as you would

538
00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:06,059
expect is that something you've managed

539
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:08,100
to ask the pilot at all if it's maybe

540
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not his first rodeo in terms of UFOs

541
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he's never had a siding according to

542
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what he told me he's never seen anything

543
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:17,760
like this before

544
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um I think did I mention this before

545
00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:23,640
not sure if I did but what we're going

546
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to do if you agree to it I would like

547
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um not too long it might take a couple

548
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:30,299
weeks because I'm

549
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excuse me I got other things going on

550
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but I would like to do an on-camera

551
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interview with him and get into some of

552
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:37,500
those things when he was on the Eastern

553
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Seaboard

554
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,740
um he told me he had at least two

555
00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:42,780
intercepts where he was scrambled okay

556
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:45,780
flying an F-18 they're doing exercises

557
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:48,059
right out there where

558
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:52,020
um uh was that the the Lincoln I'm

559
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,400
trying to remember that this ship that

560
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:54,720
was uh

561
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,299
you know like involved in a lot of that

562
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:00,240
at any rate he was scrambled to a

563
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,820
location for an intercept and he said

564
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:05,280
these things would go from like 25 000

565
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:07,860
feet down to 5 000 feet almost instantly

566
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,620
and they get about a mile close to them

567
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,840
and then they would just disappear so he

568
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:14,400
had at least two incidents like that

569
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,679
where he didn't visually see them but

570
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,299
they were on his radar

571
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:19,980
so

572
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:21,780
um he's been in that world

573
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:26,100
I think he's had an open mind to it but

574
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,380
um he's also very level-headed and like

575
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:30,780
like you keep telling people he's not

576
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:34,020
prone to wanting to see UFOs or having

577
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:35,460
this bias

578
00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:38,700
because uh he has has not actually seen

579
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,299
anything until now and he was calm but

580
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:44,880
he kept calling in if you listen to the

581
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:48,240
radio the the controller's like

582
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:50,820
um nope sorry still haven't seen

583
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:52,919
anything in radio he's bugged about it

584
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:55,860
he's he wants to know and and this guy

585
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:58,860
now is so dedicated he's told me he's

586
00:23:02,750 --> 00:22:59,700
like

587
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:02,760
I'm so frustrated if I didn't actually

588
00:23:06,529 --> 00:23:04,679
capture that on video he's like I'm

589
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,539
gonna get the best

590
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,000
um filming equipment that I can possibly

591
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,220
get and put it on my Dash and I'm going

592
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:14,220
to film every single flight from here on

593
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:15,539
out he's like I'm gonna capture

594
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:16,440
something

595
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,539
he's that adamant because when people

596
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,940
have sightings like this some for some

597
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:24,000
people it can get them to completely

598
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,240
change uh you know they're they're

599
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:29,760
they're kind of Paradigm and you know

600
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:33,419
view of of uh of life and he he wants

601
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,840
evidence I guess to kind of um

602
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:39,120
uh in a way

603
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:43,020
uh get some sort of uh

604
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:44,760
um what's what I'm looking for

605
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,419
um

606
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,580
closure like

607
00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:49,799
well I mean because of the criticism and

608
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,059
everything that he's getting from people

609
00:23:54,769 --> 00:23:53,700
Vindication Vindication yeah I guess you

610
00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:54,779
could say that

611
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,779
you know because he himself doesn't need

612
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,460
to be convinced that he saw something

613
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,720
unusual

614
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,120
but yeah you know I keep telling to him

615
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:06,120
I said man I've been through this I've

616
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,500
been through it with so many different

617
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,480
Witnesses and things it doesn't matter

618
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:11,340
you know what you saw

619
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:13,799
right so it doesn't matter what other

620
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,140
people say the only reason that we're

621
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,600
putting this out there is because there

622
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:20,400
could be other Witnesses and I do think

623
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,900
people need to know what's going on

624
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,299
we're actually working you know behind

625
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:26,580
the scenes like I've mentioned

626
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:30,720
um through not me directly but through

627
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,520
others who are pre presenting things to

628
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,559
Congress who we're going to be putting

629
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,720
on the next you know hearings and so

630
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,000
they need this information so there's

631
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,559
there's a bigger than he's like you're

632
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,539
right he keeps saying I said this is

633
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,400
bigger than you man this is much bigger

634
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:46,620
than you it's not just about what you

635
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,080
saw in making you feel better

636
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:51,179
um it's everybody working together to

637
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:53,159
try to figure out what this is

638
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:55,020
and ultimately I would rather have

639
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:58,020
someone's attempted filming of of a

640
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,059
sighting then they don't attempt to film

641
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,679
it because I know when I saw my own

642
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,440
black triangle December 2019 I was

643
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:06,480
driving it was about 100 feet above my

644
00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:08,600
car someone else had actually stopped at

645
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,100
someone else I've not told the story for

646
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:12,720
a while so I'll share it quickly as we

647
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,799
finish off

648
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,120
um I was driving along like in a back

649
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,059
Country Road 6 p.m winter in the UK very

650
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:19,440
clear night

651
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,240
um and it's near an airport so I'm used

652
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:23,400
to seeing aircraft but it wasn't

653
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:25,020
anywhere near the normal flight path it

654
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:26,340
would be it was almost like it was

655
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,779
coming along the road then I thought it

656
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,880
was an airplane and lots of lots of cars

657
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:32,159
going up and down a very very busy road

658
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:34,020
and I noticed these two points of light

659
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:36,059
and this is six months before I started

660
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,500
the podcast and even thought about it

661
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,539
but always had an interest in UFOs so

662
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:42,059
looking up at the sky as you do and I

663
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,320
caught these two points of light oh

664
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,179
there's an aircraft and go along a bit

665
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,679
further ah two points of light are still

666
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:48,960
there expecting it to get closer to me

667
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,240
and it it wasn't moving towards me at

668
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,220
the same way I was moving towards it and

669
00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:55,200
I noticed as I get near the the right

670
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,419
turn I need to make a white van had

671
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,340
pulled over and the white van guy was

672
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:01,140
hanging out the side of his van looking

673
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,220
up

674
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:04,799
and that made me kind of look and I

675
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,600
didn't have a sunroof on the car had a

676
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,940
crappy little Audi very cheap little

677
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:10,860
Banger 10 year old car

678
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,779
and I noticed that the two points of

679
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,400
light were the back of a triangle but

680
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:16,320
there was nothing on the front of it and

681
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,360
it was just sitting really just just

682
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:20,220
sitting and I say quietly I was inside a

683
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:22,020
car I wouldn't have heard it but I saw

684
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:23,880
this guy looking up and I drove past it

685
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,260
I remember catching it in my rear view

686
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:27,120
mirror I missed my turn off

687
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,400
turned into this first random Farmhouse

688
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,980
that I could that was very close by and

689
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,659
I always I always said this old couple

690
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:35,340
came outside wondering why I'd pulled

691
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,900
onto the drive and they said to me like

692
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,880
can we help you I was I'm really sorry

693
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:40,500
I'm just reversing back onto the road

694
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,900
there's a a thing in the sky up there

695
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,460
and I pointed along and I just remember

696
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:46,080
this old guy he just kind of looked and

697
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:48,120
went oh yeah so there is and he just

698
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:49,320
turned to me and said it just shows you

699
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:51,000
there's other stuff out there and then

700
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,980
waved and went back into his house with

701
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,240
his wife

702
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:57,120
so that's whole time my first thought

703
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:58,919
and feeling when I saw this wasn't I'm

704
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,080
going to film it one it would have been

705
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:03,120
two tiny Points of Light even if my

706
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:04,380
camera picked it up and I would have

707
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:06,299
been driving and holding a camera to the

708
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,659
dashboard and but I I phoned my wife and

709
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,000
talked her through this as I was seeing

710
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:14,100
this thing and she was kind of all right

711
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,720
okay and I'm not but it's still there

712
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:17,340
and I remember when I turned back onto

713
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:18,179
the road

714
00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:19,980
I could see it starting to move off

715
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:21,899
diagonally over the tops of these trees

716
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,460
that must be about 100 foot high so

717
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,720
that's what I could always tell how how

718
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:26,220
can I wear it was

719
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:28,140
another light had come on the front of

720
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,779
it and it was flashing sporadically it

721
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,820
moved diagonally and as you go over that

722
00:27:36,889 --> 00:27:35,279
that Tree Top it's an expansive field so

723
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,899
there's no trees no nothing and you

724
00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:39,120
would just see it and I I got the car

725
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:41,159
back along turned the corner and there

726
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:42,600
was nothing couldn't see it it was gone

727
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:43,980
and I would never have seen that again

728
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,240
tonight sky

729
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,520
had I not passed underneath it and saw

730
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,320
those two points a light and it would

731
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,880
have just been there sitting right I

732
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:52,380
never noticed it

733
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:57,120
um too that's incredible I always wish I

734
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,460
tried to film it but or even like stop

735
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,340
like stopped underneath it and looked up

736
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,039
and camera out but yeah well you know

737
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:07,260
some of these things happen so quickly

738
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:10,740
the my siding was probably no more than

739
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,360
I don't know

740
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,640
seven seconds or so because it was

741
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,020
moving so fast

742
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:18,779
and I had another one that was way up

743
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,000
there you know in orbit and it was doing

744
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:24,000
s turns and I didn't have my phone you

745
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:25,620
know so it's

746
00:28:31,389 --> 00:28:28,919
it it I know exactly what you're saying

747
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:31,399
a lot of people there's a delay because

748
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,020
you're so mesmerized you want to take

749
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,840
your eyes off of it and then if it stays

750
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,720
up there for 10 15 minutes most people

751
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,700
eventually think oh I should try filming

752
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,120
it but as good as as the phones are

753
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:47,520
getting you're exactly right the the

754
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,760
quality just is so underwhelming you

755
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,159
know to try and capture this stuff so we

756
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,260
try we encourage people and and on that

757
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,140
my little PSA note is firm or film

758
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:00,799
horizontally if you can not vertically

759
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,620
it makes better use of the pixels and

760
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,320
try to give some reference to your video

761
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,600
so you include other things the trees

762
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,520
The Horizon

763
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,620
um you know don't just zoom in as far as

764
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:16,140
you can and all we have is a dot in a

765
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:17,220
black sky

766
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,039
right so

767
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:22,559
um yeah and and I I do think that

768
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,679
technology is helping but I've always

769
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:27,659
said it's a two-edged sword

770
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:29,880
you know it's our best friend but it's

771
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,700
our worst enemy and this is a a perfect

772
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:35,220
example of that because people now are

773
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,260
shifting towards the technology has got

774
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,559
to tell us what the story is right when

775
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,440
when I think it it minimizes what the

776
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:46,080
evidence of the witness is and that

777
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:47,880
don't let anyone tell you that's not

778
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,840
evidence

779
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,760
right you take the credibility of the

780
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:52,679
person people can be put to death in

781
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,799
court by the testimony of one witness

782
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:57,840
right you know for a murder or something

783
00:30:05,450 --> 00:29:59,399
so

784
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:05,460
seeing um the CSI effect I talk about

785
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:07,980
you know in Hollywood it's like well

786
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,039
if there was a let's say a rape you know

787
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:12,960
it happens and CSI they come in with

788
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,419
that UV light they look around and they

789
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:17,100
see stuff and they take it to court and

790
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:19,100
they've got DNA evidence all this stuff

791
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,179
very rarely do you have DNA evidence you

792
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,279
know coupled with

793
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:28,020
um other types of physical trace

794
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:30,539
evidence in a case what makes the case

795
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,760
is the witness testimony

796
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,559
you know and so

797
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,419
and I I know because I used to

798
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:39,059
investigate you know sex crimes

799
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,899
so it does create a problem and um I'd

800
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:44,820
like to see it kind of reeled back and

801
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:46,860
and assessing The credibility of

802
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,860
witnesses if we happen to get you know

803
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,779
film of it excellent because all of us

804
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:54,000
want it we want to dig into it we want

805
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:55,380
to analyze it we want to look at

806
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:57,000
everything but

807
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:58,860
um I think that's why the Nimitz case

808
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:01,260
especially was kind of the turning point

809
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:05,100
for a lot of media you finally had you

810
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,899
know thermal cameras and credible

811
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,100
Witnesses

812
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,220
you know and still still people are like

813
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,380
well why is it black and white why is it

814
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:16,080
such crappy you know you know footage

815
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,100
and I'm like you're talking about

816
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,260
cameras that are hundreds of thousands

817
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,419
of dollars and it's black and white

818
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,000
because it's seeing heat signatures okay

819
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,399
it's not your 4k camera that's supposed

820
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,840
to pick up

821
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,760
uh anyways I'm sorry I'm going off on a

822
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,799
tan no no you're right and at the end of

823
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,240
the day you make the point as well that

824
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,799
and all of this we're looking for

825
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,659
extraterrestrial hypotheses we're

826
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,279
looking for non-human intelligence we're

827
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looking for that something other there's

828
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still a human element to it and there's

829
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still the witnesses that are coming

830
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forward and putting their necks on the

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line and just be a bit respectful to

832
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them you don't have to believe them no

833
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,700
one asks you to but you know they're

834
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coming forward and they're presenting

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something that many of us are very

836
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appreciative of and that includes

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yourself being with the work you've done

838
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,779
on this and

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um I suggest folks will check out the

840
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,019
links in this description that will have

841
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:03,360
Ben's update Ben's original report and

842
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also Ben's Twitter handles and

843
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,480
Instagrams as well so Ben thank you very

844
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,399
much for the work you're welcome thanks

845
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:10,559
Annie thanks for covering it and um

846
00:32:14,509 --> 00:32:12,899
amongst my other jobs and stuff that I'm

847
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,519
doing I'll try to keep everyone updated

848
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,799
and we'll see what happens that is all

849
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,659
for this week's show thank you very much

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862
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:49,320
looking up you never know what you might

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me

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because

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[Music]

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what's that is saucer

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[Music]

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thank you